Episode 12: Ken Rosenthal

Ken Rosenthal

On this episode of the Replacement Level Podcast FOX Sports columnist Ken Rosenthal and I discussed all things Hall of Fame. He discussed in great detail who he plans to vote for in 2013 and more importantly, why. Ken gave his thoughts on how the “steroid era” was covered when it was happening, and why he doesn’t plan to vote for players of that era the first year they appear on the ballot.

We also compared the ethical differences of steroid users in the 90′s to amphetamine users in the 60′s, questioned if the character clause should exist at all, and Ken explained why he thinks it’s wrong to keep a player out of the Hall of Fame on mere suspicion of steroid use alone.

I hope you listen to and enjoy the podcast. It can also be downloaded for free on iTunes.

[podcast]http://www.replacementlevelpodcast.com/podcast/RLP_EP12_KENROSENTHAL.mp3[/podcast]

 

If you enjoyed this interview, you might also like my conversations with other Hall of Fame voters Joe Posnanski, Michael Silverman, Ken Davidoff, and Bob Ryan.

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Episode 11: Joe Posnanski

Joe Posnanski

On this episode of the Replacement Level Podcast Sports on Earth Columnist Joe Posnanski and I discussed all things Hall of Fame. He discussed in great detail who he plans to vote for in 2013 and more importantly, why. Joe gave his thoughts on what do with players associated with or suspected of PED use, and why he makes the distinction between those that used before and after formal testing officially went into place.

We also discussed the merits of the of “the sniff test”, offered improvements for the current voting process, and reviewed all of the key players on the 2013 ballot.

This is an in-depth look inside the voting process from one Hall of Fame voter.

I hope you listen to and enjoy the podcast. It can also be downloaded for free on iTunes.

[podcast]http://www.replacementlevelpodcast.com/podcast/RLP_EP11_JOEPOSNANSKI.mp3[/podcast]

 

Episode 9: Michael Silverman

Michael Silverman

On this episode of the Replacement Level Podcast Red Sox beat writer Michael Silverman and I discussed all things Hall of Fame. Michael has been a Hall of Fame voter since 2006. He discussed in great detail who he plans to vote for in 2013 and more importantly, why. Michael gave his thoughts on what do with players associated with or suspected of PED use, and why he plans to vote for them regardless.

Michael spoke about the increasingly apparent philosophical divide between older and younger Hall of Fame voters, specifically with regard to how advanced metrics are considered, and how the use of performance enhancing drugs are perceived. We also discussed the merits of the of “the sniff test”, offered improvements for the current voting process, and reviewed all of the key players on the 2013 ballot.

This is an in-depth look inside the voting process from one Hall of Fame voter.

I hope you listen to and enjoy the podcast. It can also be downloaded for free on iTunes.

[podcast]http://www.replacementlevelpodcast.com/podcast/RLP_EP9_MICHAELSILVERMAN.mp3[/podcast]

A Hall of Fame Case For: Alan Trammell

Alan Trammell

Should Alan Trammell be enshrined in the Baseball Hall of Fame? In short, yes. Below is a statistical look at how he compares to Hall of Fame averages both as his position and overall.

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The chart starts with the averages of the 22 shortstops already enshrined in the Hall of Fame. This group represents the 22 players who were elected as players only, and were enshrined because of their MLB playing careers. The averages include Ernie Banks’ numbers, Banks ended up playing more games at first than short however seven of his eight peak seasons were played primarily at shortstop.

An interesting note about this group of 22, 16 of them started their careers before 1945. 10 of those players, started before 1925. Modern shortstops are under represented in the Hall of Fame, that’s one of the reasons I think Trammell is deserving.

Next on the chart are a look at Trammell’s career numbers.

Trammell exceeds the Hall of Fame standard in bWAR (Baseball-Reference) and meets them in fWAR (FanGraphs). He also exceeds standards in OPS+ and wRC+. Trammell’s numbers as a whole are remarkably similar to the Hall of Fame averages across the board.

Next on the chart are the averages for every position player enshrined in the Hall of Fame. Again, this group of players are the Hall of Famers who were elected as players only, for their MLB career.

Trammell’s career bWAR of 67.1 exceeds the overall Hall of Fame standard of 63.2. Trammell’s traditional counting numbers fall short, however most middle infielders fall short statistically when they are compared to first basemen and outfielders.

The last set of numbers on the chart above are the Hall of Fame averages for players who started their career from 1945-present. I like looking at these numbers more than the overall averages because of how much the game has changed over the past 140 years. Comparing Trammell (or any modern player) to the players who played in a segregated league when the game was still developing, isn’t ideal.

In addition to the numbers listed above, Trammell also exceeds standards in C-WAR. C-WAR is a Hall of Fame monitoring system I created using career and peak WAR. C-WAR is the career WAR(P) totals from Baseball-Reference, FanGraphs, and Baseball Prospectus added up and averaged out, plus an eight year peak (five best years in a row, plus 3 best additional years) from Baseball-Reference. Click here for more information on C-WAR.

The average C-WAR line for a Hall of Fame shortstop is: 64.9 career average/43.4 peak/108.3 C-WAR. Trammell’s line looks like this 63.4 career average/46.7 peak/110.1 C-WAR. Trammel’s 110.1 C-WAR is a higher number posted by ten shortstops enshrined in the Hall, including Pee Wee Reese, and Joe Tinker.

Trammell’s OPS+ (110) and wRC+ (111) come close to the numbers Robin Yount posted (115) and (114), however according to UZR, Trammell bested Yount by 123 runs saved over their careers.

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Trammell is tied for 11th (with Larkin) in career bWAR for shortstops, ahead of Hall of Famers that include Wallace, Reese, and Cronin. From 1980-1989 Trammell’s bWAR of 50.7 ranked 5th in all of baseball, second among shortstops to Robin Yount at 53.2. Trammell’s 50.7 WAR during the 80′s topped Hall of Famers Ozzie Smith (49.9), Cal Ripken (48.3), George Brett (45.8), and Andre Dawson (45.0).

Trammell had six seasons with a bWAR of 5 or more, that includes 1987 when he posted a WAR of 8. He also had six full seasons with an OPS+ of 120 or higher, to put that number in perspective that ties him with Cal Ripken. Barry Larkin had five, Yount had four (at short).

I understand that looking at the overall Hall of Fame averages isn’t a perfect mechanism. Different eras greatly skew the averages, as do some of the undeserving members at each position. Comparing Trammell to Bobby Wallace doesn’t make much sense, but comparing him to Yount, Larkin, and Ozzie Smith does. Below is a look at how Trammell’s career numbers match up against those three.

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They all have similar career value, yet all three were very different players. Yount played half of his career in the outfield, Smith was the best defensive shortstop ever to play but a below average hitter, and Larkin battled injuries throughout his career.

For me the interesting comparison here is with Ozzie Smith. Trammell was not the defender that Smith was, however he crushes Smith in every offensive category. Their career WAR numbers are almost identical and so is their peak value. Smith got elected his first year on the ballot with over 90% of the vote, Trammell is still languishing on the ballot having yet to receive even half of the 75% needed for election.

Trammell may not have been the best shortstop ever to play, but that’s not what the Hall of Fame is. His traditional counting numbers (hits, HR, XBH, TB) meet or exceed Hall of Fame standards, and new metrics like WAR help to paint a more accurate picture of his true value.

Trammell was a better player than at least seven shortstops enshrined in the Hall of Fame. He did lots of things very well, but never dominated in any one particular area. That’s one of the text book ways a player, even a Hall of Fame caliber player, can spend his entire career being underrated or undervalued. He played in the shadows of his Hall of Fame contemporaries Ripken, Yount, and Smith. He may not have been as good as Ripken or Yount, but he deserves his do and should be enshrined.

One other note, because the numbers used to the compile the Hall of Fame averages are MLB stats only, it makes it impossible for me to include players who played exclusively in the Negro Leagues. Nothing has diluted stats and the integrity of the game like the exclusion of black players for over fifty years. While I can’t include them with these averages, I encourage you to visit the websites for the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum, and the National Baseball Hall of Fame to find out more about the many great players who were shamefully excluded from the game because of the color of their skin.

Many thanks to the incredibly smart people who work at Baseball-Reference, and FanGraphs, without their tireless efforts to improve and maintain their sites and information none of this research would be possible. It’s also worth noting that sometimes FanGraphs and Baseball-Reference have slightly different numbers for the same player. For example, FanGraphs has Willie Mays with 12,493 plate appearances, Baseball-Reference has him at 12,496. These slight differences are common with historical players, the differences aren’t enough to skew the averages but it’s worth mentioning that the statistics represented in the chart above were compiled using data mostly from Baseball-Reference.

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Images used courtesy of the Detroit Tigers

Originally posted 11/13/12

Episode 4: Jonah Keri

Jonah Keri

 

 

 

 

 

On this episode of the Replacement Level Podcast Grantland’s Jonah Keri and I discuss the baseball Hall of Fame, the “steroid era”, and what’s next with advanced metrics. We also hit on why some players get overvalued and undervalued throughout their careers, re-evaluated the accomplishments of several players who played in the early 1900′s, and compared the ethical differences between modern athletes who used steroids to players of the past who used amphetamines. We also discussed several retired players who are being snubbed by the Hall of Fame voting process, players like Alan Trammell, Tim Raines, Jeff Bagwell, and Joe Torre.

[podcast]http://www.replacementlevelpodcast.com/podcast/RLP_EP4_JONAH.mp3[/podcast]