Episode 12: Ken Rosenthal

Ken Rosenthal

On this episode of the Replacement Level Podcast FOX Sports columnist Ken Rosenthal and I discussed all things Hall of Fame. He discussed in great detail who he plans to vote for in 2013 and more importantly, why. Ken gave his thoughts on how the “steroid era” was covered when it was happening, and why he doesn’t plan to vote for players of that era the first year they appear on the ballot.

We also compared the ethical differences of steroid users in the 90′s to amphetamine users in the 60′s, questioned if the character clause should exist at all, and Ken explained why he thinks it’s wrong to keep a player out of the Hall of Fame on mere suspicion of steroid use alone.

I hope you listen to and enjoy the podcast. It can also be downloaded for free on iTunes.

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If you enjoyed this interview, you might also like my conversations with other Hall of Fame voters Joe Posnanski, Michael Silverman, Ken Davidoff, and Bob Ryan.

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2013 Hall of Fame Predictions

HOF First Class

It’s Hall of Fame season and many voters have started to release their ballots. This ballot is stacked, it has more depth and quality players than any other class in modern voting history (1966). On the ballot there are eleven players with a bWAR (Baseball-Reference) of 60 or higher, plus Mark McGwire (58.7), Mike Piazza (56.1), and Sammy Sosa (54.8).

Below are my voting predictions.

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I don’t think anyone will receive the necessary 75% of the vote needed for induction. The last time the BBWAA didn’t put anyone in was in 1996. Five players on that ballot were eventually voted in by the writers, plus Ron Santo was later elected via the Veterans Committee.

Historical trends would suggest Jack Morris is a lock to get in this year, however I think the crowded ballot, and perhaps a closer examination of his career will prevent him from getting to 75%. 2012% 66.7-2013 prediction 72%.

Tim Raines will likely see the biggest gain from any of the holdovers on the ballot this year, as voters who are ignoring candidates for their PED use may look to pre-steroid era players instead. Plus, Raines was really good, and should have been inducted years ago. 2012% 48.7-2013 prediction 59%.

Clearly a large percentage of voters think Jeff Bagwell used steroids or other PEDs and will not vote for him. There is another significant portion of  voters that believe mere suspicion isn’t enough to pass on a player. Bagwell’s vote percentage will likely closely resemble the 56% he received last year. 2012% 56.0-2013 prediction 55%.

There is really no reason Craig Biggio shouldn’t get in this year, however the crowded ballot, and “sniff test” are working against his favor. 2013 prediction 45%.

Lee Smith‘s chances of enshrinement will likely take a slight dip because of the crowded ballot this year. That’s probably for the best. 2012% 50.6-2013 prediction 45%.

At least 40% of voters have made it clear they will not vote for anyone linked to using steroids; Roger Clemens has that link and will not get in. 2013 prediction 43%.

Mike Piazza will likely be given the Bagwell treatment. Despite no actual evidence that he used, he will not get in. 2013 prediction 42%.

Alan Trammell will likely see a bump up for the same reasons Raines will. Unfortunately it still won’t be enough for him to get in. 2012% 36.8-2013 prediction 41%.

Barry Bonds is the best player on the ballot (158.1 bWAR), however he has become the face of the “steroid era” and he has no chance of getting inducted, and he may never. 2013 prediction 38%.

Edgar Martinez has a loyal group of supporters that will continue to vote for him despite the crowded ballot, however his detractors feel just as strongly that he shouldn’t get in. Unfortunately, the detractors outnumber the supporters roughly 2-1. 2012% 36.5-2013 prediction 37%.

There is really no good reason Curt Schilling shouldn’t get in either, when he doesn’t his candidacy will just be another example of the “sniff test” gone wrong. Roughly twice as many people will vote for Morris than Schilling, that makes the Hall, voters, and the voting process all look very bad. 2013 prediction 35%.

Larry Walker has the Coors Field advantage working against him, plus the crowded ballot. I think he drops slightly. 2012% 22.9-2013 prediction 18%.

Dale Murphy will likely see a few more votes this year, his final year on the ballot. 2012% 14.5-2013 prediction 18%.

Mark McGwire will obviously never get in by writers. He will soon fall off the ballot altogether, but will still get enough support this year to hang around for at least one more. 2012% 19.5-2013 prediction 15%.

From a Hall of Fame stand point, perhaps no player was hurt more by the “steroid era” than Fred McGriff (assuming he was clean). The crowded ballot will almost certainly cause McGriff to lose several votes. 2012% 23.9-2013 prediction 14%.

Sammy Sosa won’t last on the ballot long but will at least see enough support to make his second year. 2013 prediction 12%

Don Mattingly probably should have been dropped from the ballot long ago, but nostalgia and the “sniff test” are powerful things. 2012% 17.8-2013 prediction 9.5%.

This might be Rafael Palmeiro’s last year on the ballot, however I think he gets just enough support to last one more year. 2012% 12.6 -2013 prediction 6%.

Bernie Williams will almost certainly lose supporters this year. The crowded ballot, and his somewhat underwhelming numbers will likely drop him below the necessary 5% to stay on for future consideration. 2012% 9.6-2013 prediction 4.5%.

Kenny Lofton is more deserving of enshrinement than the sniff test will ever give him credit for, however the crowded ballot will almost certainly cause him to fall below 5%. 2013 prediction 3.5%

David Wells and Jack Morris were both good pitchers who had very similar careers. One guy is very close to getting in, one guy will fall off the ballot his first year on it. One of those decisions is correct. 2013 prediction 1.5%.

There has never been a ballot this deep, and no one will get in. What good does that do? How is that honoring the history of the game? I hope the writers who aren’t voting for those suspected of using PEDs all have a good answer to the following question. What are you accomplishing by keeping them out?

I wish the Hall would step in, the voting process is out of date and in desperate need of change. The most obvious solution to this mess seems to me, to put the deserving PED guys in, and acknowledge that they used. Mark McGwire is one of the greatest power hitters of all-time, and he used steroids. Why can’t the Hall recognize both? With the omission of a generation players (half a generation), the Hall of Fame will not only lose credibility and relevance, it puts itself at risk of losing an entire generation of fans. When you ignore a generation of players, you ignore a generation of fans. Ignoring a generation of fans worked out well for boxing and horse racing, right?

Who do you think should get in? Who will get in? Vote here.

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Originally posted 12/20/12

 

 

 

 

 

 

Episode 9: Michael Silverman

Michael Silverman

On this episode of the Replacement Level Podcast Red Sox beat writer Michael Silverman and I discussed all things Hall of Fame. Michael has been a Hall of Fame voter since 2006. He discussed in great detail who he plans to vote for in 2013 and more importantly, why. Michael gave his thoughts on what do with players associated with or suspected of PED use, and why he plans to vote for them regardless.

Michael spoke about the increasingly apparent philosophical divide between older and younger Hall of Fame voters, specifically with regard to how advanced metrics are considered, and how the use of performance enhancing drugs are perceived. We also discussed the merits of the of “the sniff test”, offered improvements for the current voting process, and reviewed all of the key players on the 2013 ballot.

This is an in-depth look inside the voting process from one Hall of Fame voter.

I hope you listen to and enjoy the podcast. It can also be downloaded for free on iTunes.

[podcast]http://www.replacementlevelpodcast.com/podcast/RLP_EP9_MICHAELSILVERMAN.mp3[/podcast]

Episode 7: Derrick Goold

Derrick Goold

On this episode of the Replacement Level Podcast St. Louis Cardinals beat writer Derrick Goold and I discussed the 2012 MLB award season. Derrick detailed his NL Cy Young ballot, and explained why he voted for R.A. Dickey over Clayton Kershaw.

We also discussed the AL MVP debate between Mike Trout and Miguel Cabrera, and the endless amounts of obnoxious commentary coming from both sides. In addition to the 2012 MLB awards, Derrick and I discussed PEDs, the Hall of Fame, what to do with Mark McGwire & Barry Bonds, and we both offered suggestions on how to improve the current voting process.

I hope you listen to and enjoy the podcast, it can also be downloaded for free on iTunes.

[podcast]http://www.replacementlevelpodcast.com/podcast/RLP_EP7_GOOLD.mp3[/podcast]

C-WAR Hall of Fame Project: First Base

Albert Pujols courtesy of the St. Louis Cardinals

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By Goudey [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons[/caption]C-WAR is a Hall of Fame monitoring system using career and peak WAR. C-WAR is the career WAR(P) totals from Baseball-Reference, FanGraphs, and Baseball Prospectus added up and averaged out, plus an eight year peak (five best years in a row, plus 3 best additional years) from Baseball-Reference. Click here for more information on C-WAR.

The Hall of Fame officially recognizes a player by where they played the most games, that’s why Musial, Banks, and Carew are on the list of first basemen.

Hall of Fame standards vary by position, but a C-WAR score of 100 is usually the minimum of being Hall worthy. Ideally a player’s peak is 40+ and his career average is 60+. The average C-WAR line for a Hall of Fame first baseman is: 69.7 career average/46.1 peak/115.9 C-WAR. Remove Musial, Banks, and Carew and the line is 66.6/44.1/110.7

How to read the chart below:

The player’s name is followed by their career WAR from Baseball-Reference (BR), FanGraphs (FG), and Baseball Prospectus (BP). Those three numbers (or two, BP doesn’t publish historical WAR data prior to 1950) are averaged out (AVG). The AVG is the first half of C-WAR. Next you will find the player’s five best years in a row (BR-5), followed by the player’s three best additional seasons (BR-3), both according to Baseball- Reference’s WAR. Next to that is the total peak value (PK) of the five best years, and three best additional years added together. PK is the second half of C-WAR. Adding AVG+PK=C-WAR. The seasons next to PK are the five best years in a row (5 YEARS), followed by the three best additional years (3 YEARS +). The last number is C-WAR. Players highlighted in gold are members of the Hall of Fame. Players in blue are still active. You can zoom in and out of the chart with the magnifying glass symbols on the right, and download the entire PDF.

Please note that Baseball Prospectus’ WARP system is very unstable and produces frequent changes to a player’s value. The numbers below are up to date as of 11/24/12

Below is the chart for first basemen.

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Some notes on the chart:

1 Stan Musial 131.4 AVG/69.6 PK/201 C-WAR

Musial played half of his career in the outfield including several peak years, but more games at first than anywhere else. His peak falls below Gehrig’s but ranks 2nd among first basemen. He averaged 8.7 wins a year during his 8 year peak and ranks 12th all-time in wOBA (.435) and 11th in wRC+ (158).

2 Lou Gehrig 116.5 AVG/72.8 PK/189.3 C-WAR

Gehrig has the highest peak value at first base with 72.8 wins. He averaged 9.1 wins a year during his 8 year peak. His career wOBA of .477 ranks first among first basemen, and third all-time. His wRC+ of 173 also leads all first basemen. Using Baseball-Reference, in 1927 Gehrig had the best single season WAR that a first baseman has ever had at 11.5, he has six of the top 14 individual seasons at first. His career was cut short at age 36.

3 Jimmie Foxx 102.4 AVG/63.3 PK/ 165.7 C-WAR

Not quite as good as his contemporary, Gehrig, but still an all-time great. Foxx averaged 7.9 wins a year during his 8 year peak. His wOBA of .460 ranks 4th all-time, and his wRC+ of 158 ties with with Musial for 10th.

4 Albert Pujols 92.4 AVG/67.3 PK/159.7 C-WAR(and counting)

Pujols has the third highest peak among first basemen trailing only Gehrig and Musial. During his 8 year peak he averaged 8.4 wins a year. His wRC+ of 164 ranks 2nd among first basemen, and 9th overall. His peak might be behind him, but his career numbers will continue to grow. He is well on his way to becoming the best first baseman ever to play, especially when you consider Gehrig played in a segregated league, and Musial played before the league was fully integrated.

5 Cap Anson 89.9 AVG/45.3 PK/135.2 C-WAR

Perhaps baseball’s first great compiler Anson’s peak ranks 18th among first basemen. He played for 27 seasons, that’s the most played by any non-pitcher enshrined in the  Hall of Fame. Anson was the 1st player to reach 3,000 hits and finished his career with 3, 418, however taking his numbers at face value is a mistake as he played in a grossly inferior league when the game was still developing.

6 Roger Connor 83.5 AVG/50.6 PK/134.1 C-WAR

Connor’s peak is solid averaging 6.3 wins a year, but like Anson he played in the late 1800′s against inferior competition. He was a better player than Anson, even though he didn’t play nearly as long. Connor like Anson deserves to be in the Hall of Fame but taking their numbers at face value is mistake. I would certainly rank players like Willie McCovey and Eddie Murray higher than both Connor and Anson despite their lower C-WAR scores.

7 Pete Rose 83.4 AVG/49.1 PK/132.5 C-WAR

Rose ended up playing more games at first than anywhere else, but none of his peak years happened there. He averaged 6.1 wins a year during his peak, so he wasn’t just a compiler. Rose is currently banned for life by major league baseball, until that changes, there is no Hall of Fame in his future. Unlike players associated with PEDs, Rose isn’t even eligible to appear on the ballot.

8 Jeff Bagwell 79.3 AVG/51.5 PK/130.8 C-WAR

Yes, Jeff Bagwell was that good. He averaged 6.4 wins a year during his 8 year peak. That’s 8th among first basemen, 6th if you remove  Carew, and Banks. You can make a compelling case that Bagwell is the 5th best first baseman ever to play. Bagwell should already be in the Hall of Fame but is being unfairly excluded because of suspicions of steroid use. Bagwell never tested positive, never was the subject of a federal investigation, he wasn’t named in the Mitchell Report, no eyewitnesses have ever claimed to have seen him use or provided him with PEDs, and he has denied ever using steroids.

9 Dan Brouthers 78.5 AVG/50.7 PK/129.2 C-WAR

Brouthers’ peak is just a tick higher than Connor’s. Perhaps it was Brouthers who wast the best first baseman of the 1800′s,  his wOBA of .436 ranks higher than either Anson’s or Connor’s as does he 156 wRC+. Impressive numbers for his time, but I don’t think he or his Hall of Fame contemporaries could play in today’s game.

10 Rod Carew 76.4 AVG/52.2 PK/128.6 C-WAR

Carew ended up playing more games at first than second, so he makes this list. Three of his peak years (76, 77, 78) were played at first. Carew is better known as a second baseman (I’ll include him on that list as well) but his numbers still measure up at first.

11 Frank Thomas 73.3 AVG/48.7 PK/122.0 C-WAR

Thomas’ dominant bat more than made up for his sub-par defense and base-running. Often compared to Bagwell, Thomas was the better hitter of the two, even if Bagwell was the slightly better overall player. Thomas averaged 6.1 wins a year during his 8 year peak. His .416 wOBA ranks 8th all-time among first basemen, his wRC+ 0f 154 ranks 10th. Thomas was the only active player who cooperated with the Mitchell report and was an early whistle blower of the “steroid era”, so he need not worry about the BBWAA moral police affecting his Hall of Fame candidacy. Thomas should be enshrined his first year on the ballot in 2014.

Among batters with 5,000 plate appearances or more, Musial, Gehrig, Foxx, Pujols, Brouthers, Thomas, Greenberg, and Helton are all members of  .300/.400/.500 club. Only 13 others are in that group (21 total), that’s a smaller number than those who have achieved either 3,o00 hits or 500 home runs.

Skipping around a bit:

Ernie Banks ended up playing more games at first than short, but only one of his peak years (68) was played at first base.  He’s a great player, a deserving/obvious Hall of Famer who averaged 6.6 wins a year during his peak. I’ll also include him on the shortstop list where he belongs.

Interesting to see the differences in Harmon Killebrew’s career WAR totals. His 22.6 difference between Baseball-Reference and FanGraphs is the largest discrepancy at first base. Killebrew also played all over the field. Only three of his peak years were played primarily at first (61, 65, 67), two were played in left (63, 64), and three were split between third and first (66, 69, 70).

Johnny Mize missed three full seasons (43-45) while serving in WW2. All of his numbers, both conventional and advanced would be much higher had he played during his age 30-32 seasons. His .433 wOBA ranks 6th all time among first basemen.

Dick Allen’s exclusion from the Hall is a mistake. He averaged 5.9 wins a year during his peak, and his traditional numbers .292/.378/.534 with 351 home runs are deserving as well.  His OPS+ of 156 is higher than Killebrew’s (143) and McCovey’s (147), and his wRC+ of 155 ranks 18th all-time. With the election of Ron Santo, Allen has a legitimate claim to be the best player not in the Hall, at least the best player not associated with steroids or gambling.

Rafael Palmeiro just barely hits the 40.0 mark with his peak. He averaged 5 wins a year during that 8 year stretch. Among first basemen with at least 3,000 plate appearances his fails to crack the top 40 in either wOBA or wRC+. The lack of true dominance along with whatever boost steroids provided him makes his candidacy far more borderline than his conventional numbers suggest. I’ve gone back and forth about Palmeiro and the Hall but I’m inclined to put him in, however I would also mention his positive steroid test on his plaque, online, and anywhere else player biographers appear. Steroid use is part of Palmeiro’s legacy, but not all it.

Mark McGwire averaged 5.6 wins a year during his peak. His wRC+ of 157 ranks 5th among first basemen, his .415 wOBA ranks 9th and his OPS+ of 163 ties him for 4th. McGwire was a dominant hitter, but at least part of that dominance was boosted by his use of performance enhancing drugs. If you take his numbers at face value, he’s an obvious Hall of Famer, even knocking him down a tier because of his steroid use still puts him in. With the current voting members he has no shot of actually getting enshrined, however I think his exclusion is a mistake.

Todd Helton had one of the best five year stretches anyone has ever had at first base. From 2000-2004 he was worth 36.3 wins, or 7.2 wins per year. That trails only Gehrig, Pujols, Musial, and Jimmie Foxx, and Musial played half of those years in the outfield. Helton’s .419 on-base percentage ties him for 5th among first basemen, his .409 wOBA ranks 11th. Obviously some of his numbers were distorted by playing at Coors Field, however Helton’s dominance during that stretch puts him in rare air. I personally think Helton is deserving of being enshrined in the Hall, however taking his numbers at face value is a mistake, he is more borderline than his numbers would suggest.

Keith Hernandez 58.8 AVG/43.4 PK/102.2 C-WAR

Offensively Hernandez falls short, but he was more of a complete player than many others in the Hall. His peak of 43.4 is strong, averaging 5.4 wins a year during that stretch. That’s more than Eddie Murray (5.1) and Harmon Killebrew (5.0), and on the same level as Future Hall of Famer, Jim Thome (5.4). Hernandez to me represents the line. He should either be the best player not in at first, or in, and used as the minimum standard of entry. Personally, I don’t think Hernandez is deserving, but he is the definition of borderline. Advanced metrics like wOBA, wRC+, and especially WAR help his cause but still show him at or below the line.

You probably expected Don Mattingly to fall short on career value, but his peak falls short as well. He was worth 36.9 wins over his 8 year peak, that’s “only” 4.6 wins a year.  That’s a good amount below the HOF peak average of 46.2. Remove Musial, Banks, and Carew, and the peak average  drops to 44.1. Mattingly still comes up short. Mattingly fails to crack the top 100 among first basemen with his .361 wOBA, or the top 50 with his wRC+ of 124. Supporters for Mattingly’s candidacy for the Hall can at least say with confidence, he’s better than High Pockets Kelly.

Since Baseball Prospectus does not publish WAR data for players before 1950, this does create a bit of unfair advantage for those players. This is because of the three sites, Baseball Prospectus tends to have the lowest WAR values for a player (especially with pitchers), so it puts modern players (1950-present) at an unfair disadvantage. So to adjust for this, below is the first basemen chart excluding Baseball Prospectus’ WAR altogether.

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This list produced only a few modest changes.

Since I calculated peak using only rWAR, below is the chart using just Baseball Reference’s WAR. Another words this is a player’s career WAR plus his eight year peak using on Baseball-Reference. FanGraphs and Baseball Prospectus are not factored in to the chart below at all.

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Again, only modest changes from list-to-list here, but all three are valuable to look at.

One other note, because C-WAR focuses only on WAR, it makes it impossible for me to include Negro League players who have been elected to the Hall of Fame.  Nothing distorted stats like the exclusion of black players for over fifty years. While I can’t include them in C-WAR, I do want to mention Ben Taylor, Mule Suttles, Buck Leonard, and Oscar Charleston, all of whom have been elected to the Hall of Fame as first basemen. Who knows how great they could have been, or how different the record book would look if they were simply allowed to have played in the majors.

Many thanks to the incredibly smart people who work at Baseball-Reference, FanGraphs, and Baseball Prospectus. Without their tireless efforts to improve and maintain their sites and information none of this research would be possible.

Any questions or comments about the Hall, or a player listed or not listed above, send them to contact@replacementlevelpodcast.com or find me on Twitter @Rosscarey

Originally posted 7/9/12

Updated 11/24/12